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		<title>By: Lars Tong Strömberg</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/alex/billwatch-ii/comment-page-1#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Tong Strömberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reviewing some old &quot;Google in China&quot; articles in the light of today´s announcement from Google to possibly drop China altogether and stumbled upon this article. 

It´s always interesting to review how argumentation was previously and this particular case is quite interesting in that regard.. :=)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reviewing some old &#8220;Google in China&#8221; articles in the light of today´s announcement from Google to possibly drop China altogether and stumbled upon this article. </p>
<p>It´s always interesting to review how argumentation was previously and this particular case is quite interesting in that regard.. :=)</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/alex/billwatch-ii/comment-page-1#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oof, that really took it out on the BBC parser, which could be a lot better.  And you are right - a preview button would be pretty nifty..

I&#039;m continually amazed that Aunty provides a platform for his uninformed ramblings  There&#039;s a great &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174255&amp;cid=14496091&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; over at Slashdot (in response to &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/17/216247&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; which in turn is a follow up to &lt;a href=&quot;http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1225222&quot;&gt;this one&lt;/a&gt;):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Thompson has a track record of writing articles that are either ill-informed or technically incorrect and then defending himself with the lame excuse that his is an &#039;opinion piece&#039;. I can never understand why Slashdot (or the BBC for that matter) give him the space he clearly doesn&#039;t deserve. He tries to present himself as something of a guru, but probably couldn&#039;t get a job as a junior IT helpdesk worker (apologies to all the highly competent helpdesk guys out there).

He&#039;s the poster-boy for the phrase &quot;a little knowledge is a dangerous thing&quot;. If you look at his resume it&#039;s clear that he tried to make it as a techie, but didn&#039;t have what it takes, and so became a &quot;commentator&quot;. It&#039;s funny - there used to be a feedback section on his BBC column, but it mysteriously disappeared a few months ago, shortly after he posted some badly researched drivel about problems copying his archived email from Windows to OS X and got shot down in flames by almost everyone who responded.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oof, that really took it out on the BBC parser, which could be a lot better.  And you are right &#8211; a preview button would be pretty nifty..</p>
<p>I&#8217;m continually amazed that Aunty provides a platform for his uninformed ramblings  There&#8217;s a great <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=174255&#038;cid=14496091">post</a> over at Slashdot (in response to <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/17/216247">this article</a> which in turn is a follow up to <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1225222">this one</a>):</p>
<blockquote><p>Thompson has a track record of writing articles that are either ill-informed or technically incorrect and then defending himself with the lame excuse that his is an &#8216;opinion piece&#8217;. I can never understand why Slashdot (or the BBC for that matter) give him the space he clearly doesn&#8217;t deserve. He tries to present himself as something of a guru, but probably couldn&#8217;t get a job as a junior IT helpdesk worker (apologies to all the highly competent helpdesk guys out there).</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the poster-boy for the phrase &#8220;a little knowledge is a dangerous thing&#8221;. If you look at his resume it&#8217;s clear that he tried to make it as a techie, but didn&#8217;t have what it takes, and so became a &#8220;commentator&#8221;. It&#8217;s funny &#8211; there used to be a feedback section on his BBC column, but it mysteriously disappeared a few months ago, shortly after he posted some badly researched drivel about problems copying his archived email from Windows to OS X and got shot down in flames by almost everyone who responded.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/alex/billwatch-ii/comment-page-1#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;a)&lt;/strong&gt; It&#039;s &quot;Don&#039;t be evil&quot;, not &quot;Do no evil,&quot; as the photo further down the page further illustrates, Bill.

&lt;strong&gt;b)&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Google already operates in China with the government&#039;s consent, and is even a part-owner of biggest native search engine, Baidu.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s really taking liberties with the truth.  Google.com is [u]accessible[/u] within China, provided you find the appropriate proxies, and certainly not with the government&#039;s consent; &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/search/date.html#SB113468633674723824&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; in the Wall Street Journal (may be subscriber only, sorry I&#039;m posting from work) suggests that Google&#039;s interest in Baidu is not friendly:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Google has paid a price for coming late to China. While the company&#039;s leaders debated its strategy there, Baidu.com Inc., a local rival in which Google last year bought a small stake, surged; it now ranks as China&#039;s most popular search site. That has left Google facing a rare uphill battle in the Internet search business it helped define. At a board meeting in July, Chief Executive Eric Schmidt cited &quot;serious local competition&quot; as a reason China topped his list of concerns, according to a court document.

&quot;Probably we should have come earlier, but certainly better late than never,&quot; says Kai-Fu Lee, a longtime Microsoft Corp. official whose high profile in China was one of the reasons Google hired him in July to help run its new Chinese operation. Microsoft has filed a lawsuit against Google and Mr. Lee in Washington state court alleging Mr. Lee violated a noncompete agreement.

Since Mr. Lee joined Google, the company has signed up a string of local partners to sell its online ads. Mr. Lee has been setting up a research and development center in Beijing and toured 25 Chinese universities to drum up interest in working there. Google is also preparing a marketing blitz.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, &lt;strong&gt;c)&lt;/strong&gt;, Bill&#039;s argument is basically oppressive regimes and information censorship are OK as long as we&#039;re friendly to the governments that advocate them and it&#039;s not bad thing if we can make some money out of it too.  Well done, Bill.


: P


p.s. apologies if some of the bbCode screws up - Alex, your blog needs a preview button...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>a)</strong> It&#8217;s &#8220;Don&#8217;t be evil&#8221;, not &#8220;Do no evil,&#8221; as the photo further down the page further illustrates, Bill.</p>
<p><strong>b)</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>Google already operates in China with the government&#8217;s consent, and is even a part-owner of biggest native search engine, Baidu.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s really taking liberties with the truth.  Google.com is [u]accessible[/u] within China, provided you find the appropriate proxies, and certainly not with the government&#8217;s consent; <a href="http://online.wsj.com/search/date.html#SB113468633674723824">this article</a> in the Wall Street Journal (may be subscriber only, sorry I&#8217;m posting from work) suggests that Google&#8217;s interest in Baidu is not friendly:</p>
<blockquote><p>Google has paid a price for coming late to China. While the company&#8217;s leaders debated its strategy there, Baidu.com Inc., a local rival in which Google last year bought a small stake, surged; it now ranks as China&#8217;s most popular search site. That has left Google facing a rare uphill battle in the Internet search business it helped define. At a board meeting in July, Chief Executive Eric Schmidt cited &#8220;serious local competition&#8221; as a reason China topped his list of concerns, according to a court document.</p>
<p>&#8220;Probably we should have come earlier, but certainly better late than never,&#8221; says Kai-Fu Lee, a longtime Microsoft Corp. official whose high profile in China was one of the reasons Google hired him in July to help run its new Chinese operation. Microsoft has filed a lawsuit against Google and Mr. Lee in Washington state court alleging Mr. Lee violated a noncompete agreement.</p>
<p>Since Mr. Lee joined Google, the company has signed up a string of local partners to sell its online ads. Mr. Lee has been setting up a research and development center in Beijing and toured 25 Chinese universities to drum up interest in working there. Google is also preparing a marketing blitz.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, <strong>c)</strong>, Bill&#8217;s argument is basically oppressive regimes and information censorship are OK as long as we&#8217;re friendly to the governments that advocate them and it&#8217;s not bad thing if we can make some money out of it too.  Well done, Bill.</p>
<p>: P</p>
<p>p.s. apologies if some of the bbCode screws up &#8211; Alex, your blog needs a preview button&#8230;</p>
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