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		<title>By: ktm</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>ktm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 19:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, Barry.  Having considered what you say I can narrow down my particular reason for mentioning Peckham Vision's campaign, taken from their website:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The consultations on the depot will happen later. But it is important, in these route consultations, to register concerns and questions about the plans for the depot in Peckham. Urge the need for the comprehensive and comparative review of depot locations to start now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I agree that the options for a depot do need to be reviewed fairly,  I personally believe that the proposed site would be suitable.  It is partially derelict, not on the High Street, but behind the shops, and while building flats is all well and good, I know very few people who would be tempted into investing in property next to a busy railway (and tram?) line/station.  I personally believe that having a busy depot and station on Rye Lane would improve the safety of the area, just through increased volumes of people passing through.

My objection to Peckham Vision's campaign is that they are asking people to 'spoil' their consultation papers with complaints about the depot, which will in turn delay the planning at stage one.  There are other places to raise concerns about a depot (and they do state that the depot will have a separate consultation of its own), but these particular papers were not the relevant place to do so.  

Over and above your and mine opinions on this, I do hope that everyone has made an effort to make their views known and to submit their consultation documents, whichever way they stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Barry.  Having considered what you say I can narrow down my particular reason for mentioning Peckham Vision&#8217;s campaign, taken from their website:</p>
<blockquote><p>The consultations on the depot will happen later. But it is important, in these route consultations, to register concerns and questions about the plans for the depot in Peckham. Urge the need for the comprehensive and comparative review of depot locations to start now.</p></blockquote>
<p>While I agree that the options for a depot do need to be reviewed fairly,  I personally believe that the proposed site would be suitable.  It is partially derelict, not on the High Street, but behind the shops, and while building flats is all well and good, I know very few people who would be tempted into investing in property next to a busy railway (and tram?) line/station.  I personally believe that having a busy depot and station on Rye Lane would improve the safety of the area, just through increased volumes of people passing through.</p>
<p>My objection to Peckham Vision&#8217;s campaign is that they are asking people to &#8217;spoil&#8217; their consultation papers with complaints about the depot, which will in turn delay the planning at stage one.  There are other places to raise concerns about a depot (and they do state that the depot will have a separate consultation of its own), but these particular papers were not the relevant place to do so.  </p>
<p>Over and above your and mine opinions on this, I do hope that everyone has made an effort to make their views known and to submit their consultation documents, whichever way they stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 02:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly all of you realise that the tram is a good thing, it seems quite obvious that Peckham vision do too. They just dont see the point in destroying a large area of Peckham town centre, right next to the highstreet, and preventing any redevelopment on the site for at least another 50 years. The buildings at the moment dont look great but there is a possibility of it being redeveloped into houses, flats and a shopping centre. Instead TfL want to make it into an unusable space that will not provide many jobs (will certainly destroy more than it would make), or income for the area. If you actually look into it rather than just moan about a group that is trying to do something to help peckham you would see that there have been far better proposals for the tram depot site, which will not mean scarring peckhams centre. Improved transport certainly does helps regeneration -duh, but the depot does not need to be next to a high street.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly all of you realise that the tram is a good thing, it seems quite obvious that Peckham vision do too. They just dont see the point in destroying a large area of Peckham town centre, right next to the highstreet, and preventing any redevelopment on the site for at least another 50 years. The buildings at the moment dont look great but there is a possibility of it being redeveloped into houses, flats and a shopping centre. Instead TfL want to make it into an unusable space that will not provide many jobs (will certainly destroy more than it would make), or income for the area. If you actually look into it rather than just moan about a group that is trying to do something to help peckham you would see that there have been far better proposals for the tram depot site, which will not mean scarring peckhams centre. Improved transport certainly does helps regeneration -duh, but the depot does not need to be next to a high street.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tory hypocrite.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tory hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: ktm</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>ktm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and btw, &lt;a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/cfdiary/2006/09/alex_wilson_how.html"&gt;Cllr Alex Wilson's blog&lt;/a&gt; is quite interesting.  As is &lt;a href="http://www.blackheathwestcombe.org/localnewsarticle.php?id=67"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; he posted on his constituency website.  

I particularly like the third paragraph:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Given the scale of investment and the fact that improved transport is the key to any regeneration it defies believe that the government has decided to ignore the select committee and not invest in a CrossRail stop at Woolwich.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, improved transport helps regeneration does it...  Busted...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and btw, <a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/cfdiary/2006/09/alex_wilson_how.html">Cllr Alex Wilson&#8217;s blog</a> is quite interesting.  As is <a href="http://www.blackheathwestcombe.org/localnewsarticle.php?id=67">this article</a> he posted on his constituency website.  </p>
<p>I particularly like the third paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>Given the scale of investment and the fact that improved transport is the key to any regeneration it defies believe that the government has decided to ignore the select committee and not invest in a CrossRail stop at Woolwich.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, improved transport helps regeneration does it&#8230;  Busted&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ktm</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>ktm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right preview would be handy.  The webmaster used to be able to edit comments but I think it got broken...  Teh 'brain v.3 ought to be ready by the time the tram arrives.  

Is it just me, or would registering a domain name on behalf of a local lobbying group constitute a conflict of interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right preview would be handy.  The webmaster used to be able to edit comments but I think it got broken&#8230;  Teh &#8216;brain v.3 ought to be ready by the time the tram arrives.  </p>
<p>Is it just me, or would registering a domain name on behalf of a local lobbying group constitute a conflict of interest?</p>
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		<title>By: teg</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>teg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you guys are just a leetle bit scary.  Remind me never to gain say you about anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you guys are just a leetle bit scary.  Remind me never to gain say you about anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bum - number is obviously 020...

- why can't you preview and edit your comments on this blog?

Whose blog is it, anyway? ;)


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bum - number is obviously 020&#8230;</p>
<p>- why can&#8217;t you preview and edit your comments on this blog?</p>
<p>Whose blog is it, anyway? <img src='http://www.achingbrain.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>: P</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it.

Alex Wilson, registrant of peckhamvision.org, has a &lt;a href="http://www.whois-search.com/whois/peckhamvision.org"&gt;WHOIS&lt;/a&gt; registered telephone number of 02 8695 1500.

Alexander James Wilson, Conservative Councillor for Greenwich, registers his place of employment as Clarke Wilson Chartered Surveyors (above link to members' interests).

&lt;a href="http://www.clarkewilson.com/contactus.php"&gt;Clarke Wilson Chartered Surveyors' contact number&lt;/a&gt;?


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P.S.  &lt;a href="http://www.clarkewilson.com/index.php"&gt;Clarke Wilson's home page&lt;/a&gt; notes that they have an "emphasis on service to clients".  How unusual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it.</p>
<p>Alex Wilson, registrant of peckhamvision.org, has a <a href="http://www.whois-search.com/whois/peckhamvision.org">WHOIS</a> registered telephone number of 02 8695 1500.</p>
<p>Alexander James Wilson, Conservative Councillor for Greenwich, registers his place of employment as Clarke Wilson Chartered Surveyors (above link to members&#8217; interests).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clarkewilson.com/contactus.php">Clarke Wilson Chartered Surveyors&#8217; contact number</a>?</p>
<p>: P</p>
<p>P.S.  <a href="http://www.clarkewilson.com/index.php">Clarke Wilson&#8217;s home page</a> notes that they have an &#8220;emphasis on service to clients&#8221;.  How unusual.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHOIS lists him as Alex Wilson, of 40 Beaconsfield Road, SE3 7LZ.

The list of all MPs at &lt;a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mps/"&gt;theyworkforyou.com&lt;/a&gt; doesn't contain his name, but that doesn't preclude him from being a local councillor.

Oop, hold on a minute, looks like there's an Alex Wilson on the &lt;a href="http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourCouncil/YourRepresentatives/Councillors/AlexanderWilson.htm"&gt;Greenwich Council&lt;/a&gt; website, and &lt;a href="http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourCouncil/YourRepresentatives/Councillors/MembersInterests/MembersInterestsAlexWilson.htm"&gt;according to the register of members' interests&lt;/a&gt; he's a Surveyor just down the road.

What are the odds...?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHOIS lists him as Alex Wilson, of 40 Beaconsfield Road, SE3 7LZ.</p>
<p>The list of all MPs at <a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mps/">theyworkforyou.com</a> doesn&#8217;t contain his name, but that doesn&#8217;t preclude him from being a local councillor.</p>
<p>Oop, hold on a minute, looks like there&#8217;s an Alex Wilson on the <a href="http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourCouncil/YourRepresentatives/Councillors/AlexanderWilson.htm">Greenwich Council</a> website, and <a href="http://www.greenwich.gov.uk/Greenwich/YourCouncil/YourRepresentatives/Councillors/MembersInterests/MembersInterestsAlexWilson.htm">according to the register of members&#8217; interests</a> he&#8217;s a Surveyor just down the road.</p>
<p>What are the odds&#8230;?</p>
<p>: P</p>
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		<title>By: ktm</title>
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		<dc:creator>ktm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, Pierre.  Did I mention that the domain peckhamvision.org has the registrant listed as a (possibly) a Conservative Councillor from Blackheath...  Does anyone know where you can find out the home addresses of local Councillors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Pierre.  Did I mention that the domain peckhamvision.org has the registrant listed as a (possibly) a Conservative Councillor from Blackheath&#8230;  Does anyone know where you can find out the home addresses of local Councillors?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, some artists that have been there for over [u]two years[/u] may have to leave an embarrassingly ugly building.  Several small businesses may have to relocate a few doors down to the Sky Shopping Centre or whatever it's called.  And some churches that have been meeting there for several years will have to find somewhere else to meet.  They'd be the ones who believe most firmly that it's not the building but the people that make a church, then.  That's not devastation, that's redevlopment, and &lt;strong&gt;progress&lt;/strong&gt;.

I also like the way that Peckham Vision (sic) appear to play the race card several times in their bleating, highlighting the impression that they're a bunch of white middle-class Bulwagh-ites: you can't possibly develop site 63P, there are Black and Minority Ethnic (sic) people on it - so what?  The racial origin of a proportion (of whatever size) of its users should have no bearing whatsoever in choosing its fate.  It sounds like the straw-clutching protestations of a group whose main impetus is "Not in my back yard!  Think of the property prices!  It won't be finished until 2016, and by that time our children will be of school age - we're hoping to move to Esher and we want to get a damn good price on our renovated Edwardian terrace before then!"


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, some artists that have been there for over [u]two years[/u] may have to leave an embarrassingly ugly building.  Several small businesses may have to relocate a few doors down to the Sky Shopping Centre or whatever it&#8217;s called.  And some churches that have been meeting there for several years will have to find somewhere else to meet.  They&#8217;d be the ones who believe most firmly that it&#8217;s not the building but the people that make a church, then.  That&#8217;s not devastation, that&#8217;s redevlopment, and <strong>progress</strong>.</p>
<p>I also like the way that Peckham Vision (sic) appear to play the race card several times in their bleating, highlighting the impression that they&#8217;re a bunch of white middle-class Bulwagh-ites: you can&#8217;t possibly develop site 63P, there are Black and Minority Ethnic (sic) people on it - so what?  The racial origin of a proportion (of whatever size) of its users should have no bearing whatsoever in choosing its fate.  It sounds like the straw-clutching protestations of a group whose main impetus is &#8220;Not in my back yard!  Think of the property prices!  It won&#8217;t be finished until 2016, and by that time our children will be of school age - we&#8217;re hoping to move to Esher and we want to get a damn good price on our renovated Edwardian terrace before then!&#8221;</p>
<p>: P</p>
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		<title>By: ktm</title>
		<link>http://www.achingbrain.net/ktm/clang-clang-clang-went-the-trolley#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>ktm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duh.  Sorry, updated now - thanks Pierre...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duh.  Sorry, updated now - thanks Pierre&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 13:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem with your link to the Consultation Document.

You need http://www.tfl.gov.uk/trams/initiatives/crt/consultation.asp


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem with your link to the Consultation Document.</p>
<p>You need <a href="http://www.tfl.gov.uk/trams/initiatives/crt/consultation.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfl.gov.uk/trams/initiatives/crt/consultation.asp</a></p>
<p>: P</p>
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